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So which is Steam? Or is it that Steam is just doing what Steam had always done and everyone is projecting their opinions and emotions onto them? It's odd that you're making this call out about Steam supposedly combating racism while just the other day Steam was called out for being aligned with White Supremacists because they didn't issue a statement about the BLM protests. But I doubt you'll walk away much like the others I've seen calling for boycotts. Say whatever you like about how insidious his comments are or how you don't like OAG, but at the end of the day, continuing to invest money into this service is just too much of a risk for me. I'll definitely be getting my games "elsewhere" and I recommend you do too unless this ban is overturned. Originally posted by Negativeman: I for one am not going to invest my money into a service that thinks it allowable to deny me access to my 14+ year account and the countless games I'e bought. Time and time again, draconian policies are not shown to be an effective deterrent to crime. This is the same argument made today for the death penalty and mandatory minimum sentences, as well as literally the same argument made by Draco himself for the liberal use of the death penalty for things as minor as theft. The modern implementation of TOS and EULA are a huge problem for our society imo.Īs far as the demoralization argument is concerned. Not to mention that they're written so broadly that they can be considered catch-alls. Even if we spent the 76 hours of time a year that TIME reports is necessary to read all the TOS we sign within a year, we're still not lawyers who can properly interpret them or argue against them in court. As far as reading the TOS is concerned, it's not viable. Totally there bolster your case and not at all just an attempt at poisoning the well.
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I didn't say that they should have free reign to do that, but should instead have their communications banned or suspended, but thanks for the characterization of me being entitled and essentially subhuman. Originally posted by Von Stauffenberg:Maybe Steam and other service providers assume that vast majority of people using their service are going to be civil human beings? Or do you really believe that company's create terms of service to deliberately 'trap' and then persecute racists?Īlso, what's more important to that said person? A 14+ year account with thousands of dollars of games or the false-entitlement of being able to jump into forums and in-game chats to throw the n-word around to momentarily feel like an anonymous tough-guy? If reading the terms of service is too much hard work and not being able to be a racist is demoralising and offensive to those types of people, then maybe they should find another platform that allows that. Meanwhile, they 'speak' through their actions - by simply never ever having disabled an account for simple misconduct. Just playing devil's advocate here, not saying that the person did this, but what if he tried to hack Valve? Or that he tried to distribute something like CP? Would that be OK to ban him and report him to autorities? With the added caveat that Valve will not be able to comment on it, cause that's how the world works. Well, sometimes they can't really comment on it - because you know, there is potential legal issues or just privacy ones. This is honestly 100% possible, it's OAG, but that's why I'd really like to hear from Steam on this. I suspect we are not getting the whole picture here at all and the website in the OP is biased as all hell. The only cases in which i heard of total account blockage was if the user was involved in massive monetary fraud. I never heard anything like that in my years on Steam. I for one am not going to invest my money into a service that thinks it allowable to deny me access to my 14+ year account and the countless games I'e bought. Are we going to start taking "off-site rule violations" into account as well in the future ala Twitch? Not to mention they went back to comments made back in 2017 to justify his ban. As we know and have seen many times before, the window of allowable speech only grows narrower and this issue only gets worse. A forum ban is one thing and totally justifiable, but banning users from their library is unacceptable. Be very careful as Steam has begun removing users' access to their libraries for "racism".